Comments on: closed primaries http://pd-hawaii.com/blog/2007/12/12/closed-primaries/ This is a place for members of Progressive Democrats of Hawai‘i to express their thoughts and exasperations about political happenings. Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:07:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: The People’s Dialectic » closed primaries in hawaii http://pd-hawaii.com/blog/2007/12/12/closed-primaries/#comment-11137 The People’s Dialectic » closed primaries in hawaii Sun, 16 Dec 2007 04:47:18 +0000 http://pd-hawaii.com/blog/2007/12/12/closed-primaries/#comment-11137 [...] see my post on this issue here. « dems fall on their faces…. again! « [...] […] see my post on this issue here. « dems fall on their faces…. again! « […]

]]> By: steve laudig http://pd-hawaii.com/blog/2007/12/12/closed-primaries/#comment-11042 steve laudig Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:48:20 +0000 http://pd-hawaii.com/blog/2007/12/12/closed-primaries/#comment-11042 anyone wishing a list of the germane legal authorities discussing the law having to do with primaries send me an email requesting it. stevelaudig@gmail.com. I'm traveling so it may take a few days to do it. In my opinion there's little doubt the current hawaii system fails under the US constitution. Whether it is wise to have public participation primaries to select a party's candidates is a separate issue from whether the entire electorate [including republicans, libertarians, "independents"] should be able to secretly participate in selecting a political party's candidate. Designating or labelling the present system "open" as if that is a "good" thing flaws the debate. The present system is "open" in the sense that it is "open" to unscrupulous and secret manipulation, rigging and gaming by non-Democrats. If the party leadership is unwilling to follow the party's instructions they should resign. The "leadership" is a combination of unprincipled, and strategically and tactically wrong, again, on this point. They need to read the constitution they took an oath to uphold. anyone wishing a list of the germane legal authorities discussing the law having to do with primaries send me an email requesting it. stevelaudig@gmail.com. I’m traveling so it may take a few days to do it.

In my opinion there’s little doubt the current hawaii system fails under the US constitution. Whether it is wise to have public participation primaries to select a party’s candidates is a separate issue from whether the entire electorate [including republicans, libertarians, “independents”] should be able to secretly participate in selecting a political party’s candidate. Designating or labelling the present system “open” as if that is a “good” thing flaws the debate. The present system is “open” in the sense that it is “open” to unscrupulous and secret manipulation, rigging and gaming by non-Democrats.

If the party leadership is unwilling to follow the party’s instructions they should resign. The “leadership” is a combination of unprincipled, and strategically and tactically wrong, again, on this point. They need to read the constitution they took an oath to uphold.

]]> By: rachel http://pd-hawaii.com/blog/2007/12/12/closed-primaries/#comment-11022 rachel Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:20:36 +0000 http://pd-hawaii.com/blog/2007/12/12/closed-primaries/#comment-11022 Thanks for your summary Frosty! I would just like to add one point... I believe that with a "closed primary" you don't actually have to sign a party card, per se. You just must indicate which party, if any, you identify yourself with when you register to vote. Thanks for your summary Frosty!
I would just like to add one point… I believe that with a “closed primary” you don’t actually have to sign a party card, per se. You just must indicate which party, if any, you identify yourself with when you register to vote.

]]> By: Poinography! » The ultimate irrelevancy of party affiliation on naked display http://pd-hawaii.com/blog/2007/12/12/closed-primaries/#comment-11006 Poinography! » The ultimate irrelevancy of party affiliation on naked display Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:34:54 +0000 http://pd-hawaii.com/blog/2007/12/12/closed-primaries/#comment-11006 [...] Kudos to Derrick DePledge for this Advertiser story about a intra-party split among Hawaii Democrats regarding a resolution passed at last years convention calling for a lawsuit to seek closed primary elections. A blog post at the Progressive Democrats of Hawaii blog is probably a fair barometer of those in favor of the lawsuit going forward, even though the post is carefully couched in “one person’s opinion only” language. A vote to rescind party authorization for the lawsuit narrowly failed amid procedural confusion at a state central committee meeting last month in Kona. Another vote is possible at a state central committee meeting in January on O’ahu. [...] […] Kudos to Derrick DePledge for this Advertiser story about a intra-party split among Hawaii Democrats regarding a resolution passed at last years convention calling for a lawsuit to seek closed primary elections. A blog post at the Progressive Democrats of Hawaii blog is probably a fair barometer of those in favor of the lawsuit going forward, even though the post is carefully couched in “one person’s opinion only” language. A vote to rescind party authorization for the lawsuit narrowly failed amid procedural confusion at a state central committee meeting last month in Kona. Another vote is possible at a state central committee meeting in January on O’ahu. […]

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